How To Apply To Clean Mta Trains

07-14-2009, 07:57 AM

How-do-you-do my friend , hither's a question I can really help with instead of making jokes ...

I'm a subway motorman (train operator) for a little over two years. I got hired in June of 07 off the second open competitive exam that they gave. You took the tertiary.

For starters , equally for the hiring process. Yous took the open competitive examination. You claim y'all got fourteen/80 , which I'm being very honest , is bad either fashion. You either got 14 correct out of 80 which means y'all failed , or got 14 wrong out of 80 which I believe would have given yous a passing score of around 83% but little chance of always realistically getting hired. When I took it , in that location was lxx questions on it , and I got 69 right and my list number was in the high 300's and I still had to look over 3 years to get called. The MTA must promote in house first (conductors , etc.) who took the exam equally a promotional examination , and once they've exhausted the promotional list , then can actuate the open up competitive. The MTA just went through a 2 year hiring blitz for motormen , there has been classes of up to 80 motormen going through every couple of months non terminate since 2007. They had a shortage of motormen and wanted to become to the level they needed. Altogether we merely have effectually I think vi-7 1000 T/O's menses. We're non similar the NYPD with over 30 thousand officers where they hire classes of several hundred to 2000. I'm merely on 2+ years and I already have seniority on fifteen% or so of all train operators. Basically , they're not going to exist needing to hire many off the exam you took. I hope you read your score sideslip wrong , and did improve. You're going to need to get a 95% to have any realistic chance of getting hired , even though 70% is the passing form.

Now , as for qualifications if they do call yous : What you need to go to 'school car' , which is our training plan , is a HS diploma or GED plus v years of full time work experience (they will substitute 1 yr of college for 1 year of piece of work , upward to 4 years , but you still need at least one yr of work experience somewhere if you had a 4 year degree because they don't want this to exist anybody's get-go always job). Y'all could have worked in McDonald's or been the President , the MTA doesn't care because zilch yous did before you got hired could in whatever manner give yous whatsoever preparation or experience in operating a subway train. Can't have college courses for it , intern on a subway , or the like. You will start like everyone else non knowing anything , and they will teach you. Even for someone that was a railroad engineer , information technology is non the same as operating a subway train , even T/O's from other cities don't know the task because we're one of the last places left where the vast majority of trains are operated by hand and not computers. But on the L line , and shortly the vii is there automated railroad train performance , and fifty-fifty then it'due south not 24 hours. The cool looking R-160 trains that you see that make the automated anouncements are hand operated although you can't see the motorman'southward hands from the platform doing it.

Once yous pass the test , and they get to your list number , you lot'll be chosen downwards for processing. You will take a drug test , and they volition disqualify you without hesitation if anything pops up. Next , you will fill up out a xx page booklet on your background , as well as undergo an FBI fingerprint and groundwork inverstigation. They practise non play around with this , the MTA for all it's faults is very careful about who they hire to operate their trains , for obvious reasons. You will be disqualified if : you are a convicted felon , have a dishonorable military belch , have any orders of protection currently issued against y'all (and perchance even if yous accept any from the past not currently active) , if you take a record of discharge from previous employment due to discipline issues (and they will know ... any job you e'er had on the books has reported your pay , fifty-fifty if it was 1 hour , to the social security administation, and the investigators get the social security printout to verify your piece of work history and so the job you got canned from for telling your boss to get f--k off on your second 24-hour interval , and you lot got a check for 10 hours mailed to you , two weeks later , yeah , they know almost it and that you lot didn't tell them) ... and if you are caught lying about annihilation on the pre-employment book , y'all will exist gone. Sometimes they don't consummate the investigations until candidates are almost finished with training , and if they catch you lot in a lie (and they beloved to practice this) they will accept you pulled out of training and fired immediately , and the union cannot practise squat to help you with that.

Yous will accept a full , comprehensive medical exam. While I don't know everything that you tin exist disqualified for , the four big things that I know jammed people upward was ... #i - Diabetes / #ii - poor pre-employment EKG / #three - poor vision/hearing / #4 - High Blood Pressure (they don't want you having a heart attack and dying while operating the train. That would necktie up service , which is a big no-no ) ........ On some medical bug y'all could be disqualified outright , on others they volition place a hold on y'all and you lot'll have to come back after you lot get a private medico to say your ok to piece of work the job (liability issues). If you are overweight the medico will have yous in a individual room to perform various exercises to ostend you are fit plenty to climb on and off the front end of the train , which you volition practise a lot on the job.

If you lot pass the drug screening / groundwork / and medical , they will assign you to a class ,(which will be cleaved upward into smaller groups. In my case we were cleaved into groups of 10-11 people that you train with for the entire fourth dimension) and and then you lot will outset what is known as 'schoolhouse car' , the grooming program to learn to operate a subway train. In my example I passed the drug exam / background investigation / and medical all on the showtime shot with no holds. Time wise it took me 3 one/2 years to get to the start of that procedure and 2-3 months to consummate it and start preparation. I took the test in October 2003 , got my results in January '04 ... then waited , waited , and waited some more. I got called for the drig test at the end of March '07 and began 'schoolhouse automobile' the first week of June '07.

Your get-go week of school auto will basically be an orientation to the MTA. Y'all'll go through v days of things they need yous to know only have no begetting on subway train operation directly. Terrorism preparation , watching videos , learning almost the American's with disabilities act , being fitted for your uniform , getting your books and tools for the course , going over task benefits and filling out forms , etc. Your first day volition probably be at the HQ on Livingston street , then from then on you will written report for schooling at the MTA training center , a converted former public school building near Bay 25th street on the D line in Bensonhurst , Brooklyn. You will also pick a sectionalisation to work in , A (the number lines (IRT) - or the B division (letter lines (IND/BMT) ... nearly everyone picks the division with the most terminals shut to their dwelling house for obvious reasons. If you live in Bay Ridge , picking the A division makes no sense , for obvious reasons if you look at the map. If you selection A partitioning , you volition get through 3 1/2 months of training. If you option B , information technology'due south 5 1/two months of grooming. The reasons for the disparity is in the B partition (my division) you lot have to acquire to operate about 10 types of trains , and in the A , only two , plus the B division has more lines and yards you take to postal service.

The next ii weeks or and then volition exist classroom instruction. You'll go rails qualified , learn about the rail syatem , the signalling arrangement , get to fire school , larn how to evacuate a train , and learn a lot of book stuff. In virtually the third or fourth week , depending on your instructors , you'll finally get on a railroad train in the k , learn the nuts to get it ready for service , how to do your 45 minute inspections of information technology , and once yous know how to accuse the air brake system , y'all and your classmates will take turns going up and down the track at less than 10mph to get a feel for the throttle and braking.
You'll spend the next several weeks learning all about the trains , and eventually going down the road in a total length train that is not in service practicing stopping the train on the mark at the stations. This is where y'all will earn your living , knowing how to properly stop the train. Taking propulsion is a piece of cake , stopping the railroad train properly is what the task is all about. We're actually not 'train drivers' , we're 'train stoppers'. (you'll too become the 'finger' quite a scrap from pissed off passengers on the platform that don't know why they are seeing 12 guys in orange MTA vests standing effectually on a train that is not picking them up ... must be typical lazy MTA workers , right? Wrong , it'southward motormen in grooming ... so if anyone reading this ever gave me the finger , well , <--- (sticking my tongue out at you)

To consummate 'school car' y'all will have to pass a mid-term and final examination (multiple choice questions). You must get an 80% to pass each test , and you lot only go one shot at information technology. You must pass a signals exam midway through the course , with a score of 100%. If yous become ane bespeak question incorrect , you neglect , and y'all're gone. Again , y'all only get one shot at it. Y'all also must pass 4 applied exams which are easily on exams where a Superintendent will supervise you doing the following (on iv dissever days spread throughout the course) ... #1 - cutting and adding train cars apart/together ... #2 - How to audit a train for passenger (road) service ... #3 - How to overcome a intermission pipe rupture or railroad train tripped into emergency ... and #four - The road applied - an inspection of you making several station stops properly. --- Y'all get two chances for each applied , at the Superintendent's discretion. If you lot fail the start time simply came close he or she can let you re-test in the afternoon , once. If you fail the re-test , you lot're gone. They don't play in schoolhouse car. Some trainees come in thinking that the chore must be a slice of block. Our preparation plan is thorough and no joke , and the trainers practice not play games. And if they think you're a clown or non up to the job , they can recommend you lot exist booted from the program. And you probably will get that kick.
You lot must also mail service (work) every line in your division twice , each time under supervision of a qualified train operator for that solar day , as well as post each thousand twice where the instructors volition grill y'all and make sure you know what you're doing. Yard jobs are the toughest part of the task. being on the 'road' is much easier.

If you survive to the cease (ha ha , 'survive' , it's not that bad) ... you'll be on probation for the beginning year (which includes fourth dimension in school automobile). While on probation you can be terminated past the MTA for any reason they see fit with the exception of anything already protected by federal , state and local laws (the same things which apply to all jobs in the country). Although for well-nigh small-scale mistakes , you lot'll exist sent for retraining. (My record is spotless , never had an incident ... I know , I'thou bragging , but I deserve to , and so I volition).

Once you graduate , for about the start two - 2 1/2 years yous'll exist at the mercy of crew assignement. Basically you'll work a unlike line , start at a different terminal , and take a dissimilar report time every day. This is known as the dreaded extra actress list. You'll go your chore assignments via an automated telephone line or through the job sheets they print every day , 48 hours in advance. You can exist assigned to work a line in passenger service , work in a yard , be assigned to switching duty at a last (basically you put trains in and out of service equally the dispatcher needs). You can also be assigned to the extra board which you will either love or detest. Basically that ways you report for work and wait for a job to open somewhere in the system. If you're on the board viii hours and don't pick up a job , you get home , and get paid for those eight hours (which is very rare) ... but what happens xc+% of the time is you lot will sit anywhere upwards until the viii hours and if a job opens upwards (someone calls out ill , gets sent for a random drug test , has an incident , ex.) , you'll exist sent to do it. But you'll be paid the whole time. Then permit's say you report to Stillwell Ave at 13:00 and sit until a D chore opens up in Bedford Park at 16:47. You'll get paid iii:47 board time , let's say the chore lasts from sixteen:47 to 01:38 , you'll make 8:51 for the job , plus deadhead time of well-nigh an hr 20 minutes back to Stillwell. So y'all'll make eight hours plus over 5 hours OT for the day , merely y'all'll start at Stillwell , ride as a passenger up to Bedford Park , brand two trips on the D up and down (maybe do a put-in or layup too) , then cease wherever the chore finishes. You'll make nigh $thirty/hour straight time , $45/hr for OT , which is good coin , simply y'all'll basically practise nothing but work , slumber , and piece of work for nearly the get-go three years on the job. Afterwards that information technology will get progressively easier and meliorate each twelvemonth until y'all retire.

I hope I answered all your questions. If you lot accept any more than questions , re-read what I wrote and you'll discover what you missed ... (but kidding , you can transport me a 'directly message' , where I'll forrard you the details of how to wire money to my depository financial institution account for answers to whatsoever further questions you may accept.)

All-time of luck , hope you get hired and nosotros see you down here one day.

07-14-2009, 08:17 AM

Hey there BajanMike! Like Motorman Mike, I as well work for MTA--I got hired as a conductor, and these days I'm a tower operator. Simply wanted to say that you shouldn't become discouraged by Mike'south information. It's all true--simply for some reason, in the wild and wacky world of MTA, things tin can work out even when you aren't expecting annihilation. So...good luck!

(Allegedly, Governor Patterson has a bill on his desk-bound that would inaugurate a "20-l" arrangement for the states MTA employees. That is to say, you'd be able to retire at the age of 50 with xx years of service. Information technology has been said that he's in favor of signing it. If he does, quite a few employees with sufficient seniority are likely to put in their papers. That'south one of the main reasons the terminal train operator test was given--in anticipation of a lot of job openings. So never requite upwards hope).

07-14-2009, 08:49 AM

I also took the O/C T/O exam last calendar month. Unofficially my score is 88.75%, you will receive your list number in the mail up to 1yr from the exam. It was a hard exam, I only know of i person who got only 1 wrong, and a couple of others who got only two wrong.

Keep in heed that veterans get +10 added to their raw score. It'southward been mentioned on the nyc transit forums that you need to score at least a 92% to get the call, but it all comes down to listing numbers and tie breakers(date you filed for the exam). The fastest way into the MTA is by taking the B/O test,the terminal ii B/O exams accept brusk lists(4,885) (3,758). There are more than B/O's then T/O's and
seniority moves a lot faster in the dept of buses. Good luck!

07-fourteen-2009, 09:31 AM

I hope you lot all make it , I really do. I'chiliad not rooting against anyone , believe me. Just proverb information technology'due south tough with a score less than 90 on ANY civil service examination , and peculiarly this i , right at present. However , peradventure yous all make it in. Best of luck. I also heard also , that this exam they just gave was harder than the final one they gave , so I estimate I lucked out and the people that took it with me. If I can help provide whatsoever more info allow me know or Direct Message me.

FredX , how you lot been? Anything interesting lately? I heard the same affair nigh twenty/50 when Spitzer was in. It'due south non coming anytime presently. In that location's no chance , and I'll take cash bets laying smashing odds against it ... lol. I brought it up in a crew room a few months dorsum and I had a few of the senior guys roaring. Information technology even became a personal joke betwixt me and one guy on the Q with 20+ years. Every fourth dimension I see him I smile and say 20/l and he seems to get a real kick out of it. It'due south not happening. I got hired dorsum in 2000 to be a Country Corrections Officer as well , but I turned it down. As state employees they're 25/55 as well like us. I tin't see it happening for whatever land jobs that don't accept it already. And I retrieve simply state troopers accept it. I'll bet you iii gratis call-ons if I hit any homeballs at towers you lot're working versus a week of my pay that we don't go it before the contract that's in arbitration at present is eventually up in a few years.

07-14-2009, 09:43 AM

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I hope y'all all make it , I really do. I'm not rooting against anyone , believe me. Just saying it's tough with a score less than 90 on ANY civil service examination , and especially this one , right now. Withal , perchance y'all all arrive in. Best of luck. I also heard too , that this exam they simply gave was harder than the concluding one they gave , so I guess I lucked out and the people that took it with me. If I tin can aid provide whatever more info allow me know or Direct Message me.

"Just maxim information technology's tough with a score less than xc on ANY civil service exam."

I took the B/O examination(last year). My score was 85%,list number #706, another guy got a xc%, and his list number is #170. He will be in the 1st course once they finish the listing from the previous exam, and I most likely will be in the 2nd or third class(assuming that each class has 105 students).

The easiest and fastest fashion to become a T/O is by taking and scoring well on the promotional exam. And then first and foremost try to get into the MTA through another task title.

07-14-2009, 11:16 AM

Testing is closed not for this exam. Others are to open up soon. Here is the schedule:

Yearly Exams Schedule

07-14-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MotormanMike View Post

FredX , how you been? Anything interesting lately? I heard the aforementioned affair about xx/l when Spitzer was in. Information technology's non coming anytime soon. In that location'southward no chance , and I'll take cash bets laying great odds confronting information technology ... lol. I brought it upwardly in a crew room a few months back and I had a few of the senior guys roaring. It even became a personal joke betwixt me and one guy on the Q with xx+ years. Every time I see him I smile and say 20/l and he seems to go a real kick out of it. It's non happening. I got hired back in 2000 to exist a State Corrections Officer too , just I turned information technology downward. Equally state employees they're 25/55 besides like us. I can't see it happening for any country jobs that don't have it already. And I think only state troopers have it. I'll bet y'all 3 free call-ons if I striking whatever homeballs at towers you're working versus a week of my pay that we don't get information technology before the contract that's in mediation now is somewhen up in a few years.

From my understanding, Patterson was but most to sign information technology when the current fiscal situation bankrupt. Oh well, like shooting fish in a barrel come up, piece of cake go!

Can't take that bet for the gratis call-ons, because I don't think in that location are any miracles on schedule to make that signing a reality before the next contract. (On the other hand, side by side election we might become lucky and put a REAL governor in the state business firm--at such time, we can discuss the bet again!)

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